Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

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Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by HoltSteamer » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:01 pm

I am in need of help. I have been tasked with installing brakes on our carter bros modeled flat car we use here at Joshua Tree Southern Railroad 15" gauge division. What I need are drawings and or pictures of the braking system they used. They seem to have the holes drilled in the bars on both ends where the brakes would hang. But what would be really great is if someone knew who actually modeled and built this flat car originally or who built them. I don't know which trucks they are modeled exactly after either 10 or 15 ton. Once I get them I will upscale them to figure out which ones they are. Any help would be great, I will get some photos of the car and trucks as soon as I pick them up.
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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by CraigH » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:37 am

Robert,

Quick question:

Are you using air or hand breaking?

I'll dig and get you something later today.
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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by HoltSteamer » Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:02 pm

I will be using air brakes and a hand wheel brake. It goes behind our club Shay that we are in the process of putting train brakes on.

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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by HoltSteamer » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:12 pm

Anybody have any luck? I have them home now and will take a picture of them this weekend.

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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by CraigH » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:29 am

Robert,

Maybe these might help. They're drawings I did for new parts for some Westside Flats we have at Ardenwood.
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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by Andrew Brandon » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:36 pm

I'll try to get some photographs from the West Side cars at the NCNG museum this weekend.
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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by HoltSteamer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:06 pm

thanks a bunch!

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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by dsp&p_fan » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:01 am

That is an intriguing layout. I can't recall seeing a tie bar between the brake levers so far out of parallel to the sills. Very intriguing. The movement of those rods would have been odd. Was/is there an oval opening in the needlebeams?

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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by CraigH » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:25 am

I don't recall if there were holes through the needle beam. We could get that checked easily enough down at Ardenwood.

The drawings were made specifically for reproducing the iron and I wasn't focused on the parts interaction with the frame. It was a tad busy, we were delivering and unloading two Westside Flats and Sorrensen's Caboose that day to the SPCRR (Ardenwood).

They're all in off-site storage at present.

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Re: Carter Brothers Swing Motion Trucks

Post by Randy Hees » Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:45 pm

The drawings Craig posted were based on parts found on three different (but nearly identical) WSLC flats in the SPCRR collection. Car 222 arrived partially scrapped... with no wood worth preserving and was rebuilt over Labor Day weekend 2002 (?, memory failing too frequently)

It had lost its drawgear and brake rods to scrappers and frequent moves, so we had to fab up replacements... Our two other cars 205 & 308 arrived, one with complete brakes, the other missing parts. Craig measured the missing parts and created the drawings above for our blacksmith, to allow him to forge replacement parts. I don't believe he was mapping the location in relation to the car frame, as that was a known based on the car frame.

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