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F C de Lima & Lurin

F C de Lima & Lurin

Postby Randy Hees » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:16 pm

FC L-L No 4.jpg
I started to research this railroad because it traded locomotives with several other lines. This one went pretty easy without the open questions which plague other projects.



F C de Lima & Lurin
3’ gauge
45.4 km (28 miles)

From Lima, staying inland south through Atocongo, across the Rio Lurin, through Pachacamac (site of ruins) to Lurin

It can be traced to the Peruvian Government initiatives of 1864/65 as part of a plan to build a standard gauge line south to Pisco (246km) Some grading was accomplished before the contract was rescinded in 1887. The project was reauthorized as a 71 km narrow gauge line from Lima to Chilca under the Ministerio de Fomento (Ministry of Public Works) in November 1912, but tracks only ever reached Lurin. By Oct 1915, tracks had reached km 24, with grading extending to km 31. Freight and passenger service began in Dec 1918.

Although built as a government project, the line was turned over to the Peruvian Corporation (W. R. Grace) under contract. It was returned to government control in 1932. At the time of the transfer to Government control the line’s equipment consisted of:
3 Locomotives
6 passenger cars
136 freight cars

The line carried a considerable amount of freight, primarily limestone for a large cement plant at Atocongo. The cement traffic was lost in the mid 1950’s, and by 1960 service was limited to a single daily passenger train, and water delivery to an isolated village. By August 1961 all service was provided by railcars. The line was abandoned in 1963.
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Re: F C de Lima & Lurin - Locomotives

Postby Randy Hees » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 pm

Locomotives

No 1 ”Pachacamac” (Chilca?) 2-8-0 Baldwin c/n 39904, 5/1913

No 2 0-4-0t, Baldwin c/n 39554, 3/1913
Used to build the railroad, believed sold to FCHH (no 1)

No 2 (2nd) “Lurin” 2-8-0 Baldwin c/n 46769 10/1917

No 3 Unknown locomotive or unused number

No 4 2-8-2, Alco Schenectady, c/n 61555 1/1920, 19x20, 24,000
Former Hacienda Casa Grande railroad (Chicama Peru) No 13
To FC C-SA (No 128, to No 120 (2nd))

No 5 2-8-2, Alco Schenectady, c/n 67539 10/1927, 19x20, 24,000
Renumbered No 71, one of the last two locomotives on hand, scrapped in Lima when railroad was abandoned

No 6 2-8-2 Henschel, c/n 23011, 1936

No 51 2-8-2, Baldwin, c/n 58011, class 12-24 ¼ E 36" gauge, 37" driver, 15"x20" cyl. built 9/24
Built for FCdSA as No 3, Villas?, Transferred to Lima-Lurin line as No 51, returned to FCdC as No 122(1st)

No 11 2-8-2 Henschel, c/n 26402, 1950
To FC Santa, No 11 (2nd)
To FCdSA No 129

No 12 2-8-2 Henschel, c/n 26403, 1950
To FC Santa, No 12 (2nd)
To FCHH No 109

Final Number series

No 71 2-8-2, Alco Schenectady, c/n 67539 10/1927, 19x20, 24,000
Renumbered from FCLL No 5,
One of the last two locomotives on hand, scrapped in Lima when railroad was abandoned

No 72 2-8-2, Baldwin c/n 60100, 7/1927
Built for FCHH (no 5, Presidente Leguia) to FCNdP (Number unknown)
Returned to Huancayo after railroad was abandoned to be stripped for parts for No 106


Two railcars were acquired in 1960. These were transferred to the FC Cuzco Santa Anna after operations ended.

Photos show both 4 wheel and 8 wheel flat cars.
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Re: F C de Lima & Lurin

Postby Brian Norden » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:37 pm

A few comments to add.

The Hacienda Casa Grande 2-8-2 was one of three (#11, 12, 13) that came from American Locomotive-Schenectady in January, 1920. They are very similar to the Sumpter Valley ALCO 2-8-2s that were built a few months later. These were essentially 3-foot gauge versions of an ALCO 2-8-2 logging locomotive design.

casa grande.jpg
ALCO builder's photo for Casa Grande 11-13
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Hacienda Casa Grande is the South American line that acquired three of the USA 2-8-2s that operated on the White Pass and not bought by the WP&YR. These were numbers 191, 198 and 200. Hacienda Casa Grande was a large sugar operation that is now gone.
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Re: F C de Lima & Lurin

Postby Loco112 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:39 pm

Both the Lima & Lurin and the Casa Grande Locomotives are virtually identical to the Sumpter Valleys' #19 & 20.

The Teresa Christina, in Brazil had ALCO's, road numbers #153-157, 1941 (!). These locomotives were also built to the same basic design as the above mentioned 3' gauge Alco Mikado's. The main differences are a slightly wider and longer firebox a correspondingly longer rear frame extension of about 12", and cab location. Of course everything was placed 3 & 5/8" wider to suit its meter gauged track. The cylinder bore and stroke are 16" x 22" and the BP went to 180, and the driver diameter was 42 inches instead of 44, but that could be from a reduction from a turning. It appears as though Alco could have debored it, added a little stroke, and raised the BP, all to decrease slip, increase the efficiency, while using what is still the design of the 3' gauge locomotive. The BP at 180 was still quite low by 1941, so this suggests that longevity was still a major concern with the customer. This is an Interesting design and strategy on both gauges!

The 3' gauge version was very slippery, thus the Sumpter Valley cut the #19's BP from its original 170psi down to 150psi (!), still the crews say they can get wheel slip if not careful on the throttle at low speeds. The meter gauged version, with its 2" inch increase in stroke, offset by the 3" smaller bore, and 2" smaller driver diameter, but a 180 BP, probably has the same slippery nature as the 3' version.

Alco must have really liked this design because the SVry Mikados were built in 1920, the meter gauged EFDTA #153 (CN# 69445), #155 (CN# 69447) 1941, were built 21 years after the Sumpter Valley pair. That's a very long time in that era of superheat to superpower, etc! In side by side photo comparisons its difficult to tell which gauge of locomotive is which, except for the meter gauge's 12" longer rear frame extension, 12" rearward cab location, and the bright color paint details used in Brazil.. Both #153 & #155 are doing tourist train haul in within Brazil. I suspect the meter gauge versions could have sleeves to reduce the bore and allow the option of removal incase a larger bore was wanted with an optional 44" driver tire. I suspect Alco reused the same wheel center patterns and still got the smaller OD and longer stroke they wanted to build.

Alco reused its K-28 design in the same way for the D&RGW and the OR&L. Alco stuck to these same basic models. I wonder how many others got out to distant customers looking like these same NG locomotives?

Every part on each of these traditional, inside framed, Mikado's, for both gauges, appears to be identical to be the same part as on all the others. Its my hope that I can locate a full set of blueprints, including all the individual parts drawings, (which should number about 450 total) to either one of these Alcos in some Central American, or Brazilian, archive or railroad shop.. If you had that set for either the 3' or the meter gauge version, you should be able to build either version of this locomotive with the few basic detail changes.

Looking at the photo of the Casa Grande #5, that's a WABCO 8" air compressor It could have been a special order only pump by then, as there was a date when Wabco did that for the very uncommon8" pump, that the Maine 2-footers used most often.

All these ALCOS would run on 39# rail. For a miniature replica that would scale down to a very small rail. Good for the livesteamers. 39# would scale down to about: 8# in 15" gauge (5/12 scale, and 20# for 24" gauge, 2/3 scale. Obviously I'm a: miniature replica, narrow gauge, Livsteamer, nut.

Does anyone have any other info on the delivery specifications on these? Too bad Alco burned everything, isn't it!
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