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Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby Randy Hees » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:53 pm

Like Andrew, I am starting my build(s)... I am starting with both the trucks, and with paint.

First the paint... I have sprayed a test strip of scribed siding with shellac... or rather half with shellac, half without. When it drys I will paint both halves with my paint of choice for one of the builds... Long ago I built many wood kits... I found that the wood absorbed paint in a way that didn't work for me... it resulted in a flat, dry finish... In real life these cars were glossy... shinny, and that is what I am trying to achieve... so I am testing the idea of a shellac coat under the paint.

I have picked up a variety of Polly S paints, some colors dead on for my Pantone matches... some to be mixed to a better match... I picked up some Model Masters for the 1920's V&T 10, per Erik's instructions and one bottle of Vallejo paint... I have never used the Vallejo paints, but they are well regarded by the armor guys, and they offer a variety of colors...

As for the trucks, I picked up a variety of styren strips to allow me to add the truck end frame, and brake beams... I picked up a set of Eric's freight car brake beams to test as well.

More tomarrow...

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1880s Brown

Postby Andrew Brandon » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:26 pm

I have a color suggestion for somone working in the 1880s, Tamiya "Linoleum Deck Brown" is a good starting point for the Red-Brown I put on the 1886 scheme. I had originally purchased this color for use on my Reno/Genoa models, however the color wasn't right to me. I've since had the color around and decided to give some parts a quick test spray just see what the color looked like. I'd probably mix it with a touch of red of some sort, maybe just a drop or two.
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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby Randy Hees » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:59 pm

I am playing with paint… Looking for a couple of good yellows for the cars… I found a color I like for freight cars… It is Polly S (Testors) F505228 USSR light earth brown… for post world war camo… It’s a dirty yellow with a slight green tinge, close (bit lighter) to PMS 117c. It is similar to, but a bit darker than Masury’s 1877 carbody color… I suspect with a bit a primary yellow it could match well.

I expect to use it as is for my box cars and some flats in place of old lacquer based Floquil "mud". It may get modified to serve as a passenger car body color.

I am trying to post a photo, but having trouble so it can be found instead at http://picasaweb.google.com/RandyHees/M ... 6348023714
The sample is an old piece of Northwest scribed siding, half sprayed with shellac as a sealer (this another test), half raw wood, two coats of the light earth paint brushed on. A third coat might help… a coat of gloss would change things…
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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby Randy Hees » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:08 pm

Craig needs a build target for a side door caboose… (I think) I have one as well, and we need different builds… Andrew has drawn 1873 (as restored at NSRM) and 1876 (very light green)

Car 10 may have been a side door car longer, maybe as late as 1890, if so, we can consider one of the 1880’s illustrations… either the dark green, or the first of the yellow styles. Any feedback Andrew? If we are limited to just the two, You do 1873, I will do 1876…

I am working on making the twin washer plate for the body bolster. I made up a master for the flatcar version, and now need to make a mold, then cast some… I probably will use commercial silicon caulk for the mold, and bondo for the castings… if this works I will follow it with the passenger car version (the passenger car version has a “frame” or rim around the casting, the flat car version doesn't.) Drilling the holes for the NBW was a challenge… I split 4 of the parts, but got 2 made up.

Additionally, I continue to identify the model paint for the early schemes…. I have been painting “sample chips” of a couple of colors… it appears that the Polly S military colors may provide off the shelf matches for some… the various camo combos provide a nice range of browns, yellows and grays… We should be able to get really close by some simple mixing...
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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby MAC » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:03 pm

Craig,

If you use 3/8 scale with 45mm G gauge track it comes out to about 4' 9" between rails. I think MTH uses 3/8 scale and Arsto Craft and USA use 1:29 for standard gauge.

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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby MAC » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:05 pm

Andre,

My drawing of the caboose is done to full scale. I can send you a CAD file and you can have it printed to any scale you want.

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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby MAC » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:59 pm

The 1875 date is based on newspaper accounts of two cars being rebuilt and to be run at the end of the passenger train. The only problem is the newspaper doesn't give the car numbers. We do know that cars 1 & 2 were rebuild in 1873 and renumbered 8 (No. 1) and 7 (No. 2) based on newspaper accounts that gave numbers and physical research on No. 8, so I don't think they would have been rebuilt again in 1875. The only other cars that could have been rebuilt in 1875 would have been the two little cabooses, Nos. 4 & 5. That is another mystery.

We do know that No. 10 was resided in 1916 and that is when we think the letterboard was added. No. 9 was not resided and when Kyle Wyatt and I did the physical research on the car we found three board patterns on the siding; the original 3 1/4" boards with square nails; the 2 5/8" redwood replacement boards for the side door with square nails; and the 2 3/4" pine boards for the two center windows with round wire nails (1908?). When did round wire nails come into being?

The next issue of the V&TRRHS "V&T Telegraph" will have the drawing on Caboose 9 as the 1908 - 1913 Construction Sleeper.

A note on the drawing of No. 10. I added the Spear stove for reference, but by 1916 it had been removed and a bench added down the center of the car.

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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby Brian Norden » Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:16 pm

Regarding the different kinds of nails, I found these sites on the internet:

Nails: Clues to a Building's History http://www.uvm.edu/histpres/203/nails.html
A Two-Bit History of Nails http://www.fourshee.com/history_of_nails.htm

And there are more sites found by Google.
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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby Solomani » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:33 pm

interesting read about nails, thanks!
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Re: Our First Group project, V&T 9 & 10

Postby CraigH » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:05 pm

Mike,

Thanks! Had to go back and look at the post that brought it up.

RE: If you use 3/8 scale with 45mm G gauge track it comes out to about 4' 9" between rails. I think MTH uses 3/8 scale and Arsto Craft and USA use 1:29 for standard gauge.

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