"Foreign" Boxcars in Hawaii

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John Coker
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Re: "Foreign" Boxcars in Hawaii

Post by John Coker » Sun May 13, 2012 12:16 pm

Jeff,
I have some more info regarding the sold cars. These listed cars come from the D&RGW AFE books. These cars were sold 2/28/42, which matches your dates.
4000 series box cars:
4010,4043,4271,4286,4448....4254,4516,4918,4919,4922...total 10 cars; Price @$700.
6000 series cars:
6001,6004,6009,6013,6023....6032,6033,6039,6041,6056...6057,6058,6069,60776095,6064:
total 16 cars;price @$365.
The price seems high for old cars. Remember that most of these cars were rebuilt in the 1920s. Some of the boxes(including the one shown) had Murphy roofs(a plus for rainy Oahu) and it looks from the photo that some may have had rebuilt draft gear. The cars were probably serviced and painted for the USN, as were the NCNG cars. Note that the 4000 box {#210] is lower than the F&CC box behind it. This illustrates a problem with these cars. They had little headroom. Anyone over 5' 7" was going to crack their head on the wooden joists. The reefers? Well, they may have been mostly up on the extensive base trackage at Hickham and Scofield. SPng also sold a tank car to the USN. It is possible that the reefer and flats never went to Pearl, being diverted to the huge equipment sale to the Mexican government later that year. A D&RGW flat appears in a Haug photo as a tender for a steam shovel at the NdeM terminal at Orizaba in the 1940s.

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Re: "Foreign" Boxcars in Hawaii

Post by Jeff Livingston » Sun May 20, 2012 9:30 pm

Thank you for the additional car numbers John. Following the December 7th attack the military realized their shortage of equipment was severe and initiated requests for ammunition cars, kitchen cars, plotting cars, machine shop cars and bunk car among others. These were to support the 41st Coast Artillery (Railroad) 8 inch batteries. All but one battery of the 41st CA were soon barbette mounted and the Army changed it's request to tank cars and diesel locomotives. Due to the shortage on narrow gauge rolling stock on the market the Government must have been willing to pay whatever price offered. A large consignment of new narrow gauge boxcars built by American Car Co. and Pullman Std. for a South American railroad was diverted to Hawaii for the Army and Navy. Five survive at HRS. At least three standard gauge 8 inch ammunition cars on three foot trucks made it to Hawaii and we have photos of them in the OR&L yard and later at Naval Ammunition Depot West Loch. Lots of wierd stuff happened in the first fews months following the attack.

Jeff Livingston

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Re: "Foreign" Boxcars in Hawaii

Post by John Coker » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:59 am

Jeff, another factoid about the Ex-F&CC,NCO,NCNG,USN box cars. I was reading a little of Jerry Best's "Railroads of Hawaii" and he said he was astounded to see these well traveled box cars actually went to a FIFTH railroad-the FC El Salvador! He saw them in San Salvador in the mid-1950s. Safe to say they are chicken coops now.

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Re: "Foreign" Boxcars in Hawaii

Post by Jeff Livingston » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:37 pm

John,

I don't think any of the former mainland Navy boxcars ever left Hawaii. OR&L records indicate the sale of 180 boxcars to the International Railroad of Central America and 50 boxcars to Temperlys Haslehurst & Co. on 31 December 1950. In 1948 the railroad sold a total of 151 freight and passenger cars locally. At this time the OR&L had no mainland equipment except Locomotive No. 111 and seven ex-PCRy flat cars from 1942. The cars sold to the IRCA were Gregg outside braced wood/steel cars. In 1959 the OR&L purchased 147 excess Navy boxcars and flat cars for container service and moved them from West Loch to the yard. Among these cars were some mainland cars built in 1913 and 1915 but we don't know for certain which ones they were. Many of the flat cars were used by the OR&L but most of the boxcars were soon scrapped. Whatever was seen in South America I cannot see them originalting from Hawaii.

Jeff Livingston

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