Salinas Ry

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Randy Hees
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Salinas Ry

Post by Randy Hees » Sat May 31, 2014 10:51 am

Andrew and I have been having a conversation on the Salinas Railway a steam dummy line organized in 1897, opened in late 1897, and shut down in May 1900…

They had a well documented new Baldwin Motor… and are said to have owned a second, used locomotive from Ferries & Cliff House… their passenger cars came from F&CH as well…
Generally, the F&CH loco is reported to be one of the 2-4-2t from the F&CH… (the F&CH had 8 2-4-2t locos) but F&CH also had a pair of earlier SF built steam dummies…

I so far haven’t found a photo of the F&CH locomotive on the Salinas Ry, and have found the published list of F&CH locomotives to have more than a few issues… the rosters don’t agree which of the 2-4-2’s went where… I suspect that the confusion is at least in part caused because the two dummies, No 1 and No 2 were replaced by later Baldwin 2-4-2 locomotives numbered 1 & 2…

Fabing reports that the SRy no 2 was F&CH No3, (Baldwin c/n 8955) later to Glyn & Peterson No 2… It is now believed (per Baldwin records) that the Glyn & Peterson No 2 was F&CH No 2 (2nd) (c/n 9073), and that c/n 8955 went to Diamond & Caldor instead.

This suggests two options for SRy No 2…

One option is that Salinas Ry No 2 was actually F&CH No 2 (first number 2) a Marshutz & Cantrell, 18870-4-0t Dummy.

Option two is that the Salinas Railway received F&CH No 1 (2nd) Baldwin c/n 9065, a 2-4-2t, reported in Baldwin records as having been sold (2nd hand) to the San Jose & Santa Clara Electric RR Co. SRy is believed to have sold its passenger cars to the San Jose & Alum Rock which later became part of the SJ&CC so there is a relationship…

A picture showing a Baldwin 2-4-2t on the SRy would eliminate option one but would not address which Baldwin might have been purchased…

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Re: Salinas Ry

Post by Andrew Brandon » Sat May 31, 2014 7:14 pm

I've uploaded the spec sheet for #1 to the image gallery, here is a copy for those interested.
Salinas-Railway-1-Spec.jpg
Orange is an interesting color choice. ;)
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Re: Salinas Ry

Post by Randy Hees » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:18 am

Several illustrations of interest...
Baldwin ad cut.png
from Baldwin Catalog
a Baldwin ad cut for the locomotive, and the Baldwin color book drawings motor 55 and tank 165 in "orange color with dark trimmings to match cars built by W S Holman of San Francisco[/i]
Baldwin ad cut.png
from Baldwin Catalog
Baldwin ad cut.png
from Baldwin Catalog
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Tank 165 Salinas Ry .JPG
From Baldwin Color Book, Stanford University
Motor  55 Salinas Ry .JPG
From Baldwin Color Book, Stanford University
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Re: Salinas Ry

Post by Jeff Livingston » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:51 pm

If F&CH had two early steam dummies that might explain why Hungerford in his "Railroads of Hawaii" misidentified the home built OR&L dummy No. 17 as ex-F&CH No. 5. Hungerford didn't have access to the primary documentation now available and the OR&L's purchase of F&CH No. 5 was documented but not the existence of No. 17. It's beginning to make sense. Scary.

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Re: Salinas Ry

Post by Randy Hees » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:19 pm

I think lots of us have had trouble understanding that not all steam street railroads had dummies, and not all dummies were used in city streets... That taken with multiple locomotives with the same number on a line like the F&CH make It hard to keep things straight... In most cases these locomotives then ended up being used by contractors, loggers, or street railroads which do not maintain the same type of records kept by common carriers.

It seems pretty certain that the two F&CH locomotives that made it to Hawaii were both Baldwin 2-4-2t without dummy bodies... but they both were used on steam powered street railroad in San Francisco...

The two Hawaiian engines from the F&CH are believed to be

5 8973 8-14½ C-12 41” 36” Dec 29, 1887
Sold to Government of Hawaii, 1903, No 5
New Boiler 1905
To Oahu Ry No 5, (variously reported as early as 1903 or as late as 9/19/1910) (per Baldwin records)
Retired 1923

6 8974 8-14½ C-13 41” 36” Dec 29, 1887
To Lord and Besler, Honolulu Harbor, HI (from lawsuit)

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Re: Salinas Ry

Post by Jeff Livingston » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:10 pm

A hand written note dated 1921 located in the Dillingham Collection at Bishop reports OR&L No. 5 was acquired in 1904. Note is unsigned. There is no indication of whether No. 5 was purchased from the Government of Hawaii of F&CH. Your research does at last provide a reasonable, if unconfirmed, explanation of the mix up of No. 5 and No. 17.

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