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19th Century Coach Drawings.

Postby Tweetsiedude » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:06 am

Folks I'm looking for help constructing coaches. I have a book on the ET&WNC coaches, but yet it shows no diagrams of the coaches. Yes I'm an East Coast NG person haha. What I'm getting at is, I'm trying to find drawings, and paint patterns for narrow gauge passenger equipment. I'm fond of the 1870s rolling stock from Billmeyer and Smalls "probably spelled that wrong" Carter Bros, Jackson and Sharpe etc. Any help would be great.

I have found a site about D&SP and other Rio Grande coach equipment, but they're not what I'm looking for.

Thank you and Rock On!
~Dusten
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Re: 19th Century Coach Drawings.

Postby Curtis Reid » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:45 pm

Hi Dusten,

Putting 'ET&WNC' into the model railroad magazine index located at http://www.olimpia.com:8084/magazine-index.html brings up a list of articles, some of which mention coaches, combines, or cabooses /w plans.

Sounds like a fun project!
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Re: 19th Century Coach Drawings.

Postby Randy Hees » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:30 pm

Hi Dustin, welcome to Pacificng...

I have a 1875 (April) Billmeyler & Small coach at my museum (Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City)... the car and its sister were featured in B&S ads. A replicas of the car is being built by Dan Markoff for use which his locomotive "Eureka" (Baldwin 8-18c, 4-4-0, 1875). Dan may have drawings.

CSRM has a Carter 1874 (Oct) combine.

There also a 1875 (Nov) Kimball duck bill coach preserved at the Huckleberry Railroad in Michigan.

Collectively they are apparently the oldest narrow gauge passenger cars preserved in the US.

The SPCRR has very detailed drawings of a 1881 Carter duck bill combine/caboose... there are 60+ drawings in the set. CSRM has a Carter 1874 (Oct) There are also some drawings for a 1881 Carter Duck Bill coach, preserved at Orange Empire RR museum. These are the last cars the Carter Brothers built to a 1876 design.

The Cumbres and Toltec has a D&RG B&S 39' coach, (possibly the first 39' car) highly rebuilt. I probably have drawings in its present configuration.

There are really good photos from Jackson & Sharp on line at the Delaware Archives. The Smithsonian has a J&S engineering book from the early 1880's.

I (and Andrew, also on this site) have done paint research on a number of very early passenger cars, and can start to answer questions about color and striping.

Randy
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Re: 19th Century Coach Drawings.

Postby Tweetsiedude » Tue May 09, 2017 11:41 am

I remember reading something about that coaches were painted in varnish and were brown in color.
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Re: 19th Century Coach Drawings.

Postby Randy Hees » Thu May 11, 2017 9:54 pm

Generally passenger cars were painted, then varnished, then lettered, then varnished again...

Browns were not unheard of, but yellow, wine, and Tuscan (red) were likely more common.

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