This Time a Dump Car

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Jeff Livingston
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This Time a Dump Car

Post by Jeff Livingston » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:34 pm

Another unknown manufacturer. In early 1913 the Navy advertized for bids for thirty, twenty yard dump cars for the coaling plant at Pearl Harbor. They ended up buying only fifteen. We think that these cars were made by either Kilbourne & Jacobs or Western Wheeled Scraper. Any further ideas?
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Randy Hees
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Re: This Time a Dump Car

Post by Randy Hees » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:18 pm

Hi Jeff,

I ran the photo by Kyle Wyatt, from CSRM... He has been studying dump cars recently, trying to make sense of the collection that the state has at Jamestown on the Sierra.

His answer... "It's really hard to say, especially given the low res copy. Given the 1914 date, my guess would be either Koppel or Kilbourne & Jacobs, although on the latter the cylinders should have a slight slope inwards. Western Wheeled Scraper had not yet embraced the vertical cylinder design in 1914."

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Re: This Time a Dump Car

Post by Jeff Livingston » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:48 am

Randy,

Here are two more photos of the dump cars. These taken in 1923. Note the name change from the 1914 photo. I'll also send you the full sized images.
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Re: This Time a Dump Car

Post by Brian Norden » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:14 pm

Orange Empire Railway Museum has a K&J dump car that came from the New Cornella Copper Company at Ajo, Arizona. This car is listed as being built in 1916 and it has a large cast plate applied by the manufacturer to the body.

See this webpage at OERM's website for a photo: http://www.oerm.org/collection/other-railroads/ncc-601
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Re: This Time a Dump Car

Post by Jeff Livingston » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:46 am

Thanks Brian,

Sent Randy high resolution photos which he passed to Kyle Wyatt who thinks they may be William J. Oliver Manufacturing Co. products. With the lmited resources available in Hawaii I'm depending more and more on the web and the brain trust here.

Jeff Livingston

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