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Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Randy Hees » Thu May 22, 2014 6:08 pm

M&M locomotive on ferry on Colorado River.JPG


I found the attached photo of a locomotive on a Colorado River ferry in the Mohave County Historic Museum... It was published in a 1990's newspaper supliment with no other information included... the ferry is one known to have worked the Needles area...

The problem is, this engine does not match any of the known engines... any ideas....

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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Brian Norden » Thu May 22, 2014 11:37 pm

Randy,

Could this be the locomotive?

A Redondo/Los Angeles & Redondo accounting journal says the railroad sold a locomotive to the Mohave & Milltown.
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LA&R #4 "Redondo" at Redondo Beach.
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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Randy Hees » Fri May 23, 2014 5:57 pm

Brian, I think you nailed it... I was hoping it might be the LA&R loco...

Over the last several days I spent time at the Mohave County Museum in Kingman, and today at the Mojave Desert Heritage and Cultural Association archive in Goffs... I have a ending date and story for the M&M... I have a couple of new leads on information...

I also spent time following Daggett railroads (one locomotive from the Calico & Daggett went to the M&M as well...)

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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Brian Norden » Fri May 23, 2014 10:55 pm

Randy,

I guess this means I have to update my LA&R locomotive roster. And with that my little review "A quick look at the Redondo Railway / Los Angeles & Redondo Railway."

Addition/edit: The sale by the LA&R to the Mohave & Milltown occurred in July, 1903.
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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Randy Hees » Sun May 25, 2014 6:57 am

Brian... confirming based on information you gave me in the past...

If the M&M loco in the photo is the Redondo Ry No 4, "Redondo", renumbered 24 by now LA&R. It was previously San Gabriel Valley Rapid Transit "Alhambra" a 1888 Porter, cn 908...

I love it when information comes together....

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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Brian Norden » Sun May 25, 2014 7:04 pm

This locomotive's history is so different from what Gerald Best thought when he wrote "Early Steam Suburban Railroads in Los Angeles" which appeared in R&LHS Bulletin No. 99 of October 1955. While this work was good for the era, we have more resources available fifty-plus years later.

The minute book and stock sales registers of the LA&R is at CSRM. Accounting records are in the Southern Pacific collection donated by the UP to Stanford University Library's Special Collections. And we have internet access to all manner of digital newspapers -- but we desire more would be on-line. We've even found that a newspaper correspondent giving different information about the cars being received by the LA&R from the SGVRT than listed in the minute book.

The accounting records show that the "Alhambra" arrives at Redondo several months ahead of the recorded (and long reported) listing of cars cars and two locomotives coming from the SGVRT.

This is why in spite of people who say "it has all been written", we keep looking and we keep our eyes open for photos and other records like the one of the locomotive crossing the Colorado River.
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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Ed Weldon » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:59 pm

Randy - Aside from the historic value of the image of the locomotive on the barge and the little sternwheeler behind it stands as a wonderful modelling subject. Thank you for finding and sharing it with us.
BTW, the image, color cahrt and Baldwin spec sheet(quite readable) represent another nice package of modeling reference material. Much appreciation from this corner of the world of narrow gauge madness.
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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby PacificCoastBorax99 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:37 am

If I may pop in and ask, would the engine in this picture be the same one as the LA&R engine? ;)

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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby Brian Norden » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:47 pm

Hard to tell.
I saved the image and then opened it with a photo editor I zoomed in on the locomotive there was no detail to compare.

What is the source of the image? Is it suppose to be on the M&M or someplace else?
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Re: Mohave & Milltown unknown locomotive

Postby PacificCoastBorax99 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:07 pm

Randy Hees linked me the photo during a private discussion we've been having. https://ehive.com/account/4938/object/3 ... Bins_Carts

At first we thought it was 'Sanger,' a Porter from the Daggett & Calico Railroad which was said to have been sent to the M&M around 1903. But to me, the saddletank looked too big and the cab looked like a different design from 'Sanger's', so instead I suggested that the engine in the picture could be the LA&R engine that was discussed in the thread. He said the photo was definitely from M&M, where on the route it was taken, I know not, don't know too much about the line myself.....
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