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Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby David Johnson » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:23 pm

With the information being posted about the E&P/E-N cars and locomotives, I am interested in what happen to the box car body that John Robinson measured and photographed in the early 1970s. The photos and a drawing of a E&P/E-N 24'x7' boxcar was published in the May 1972 Finelines magazine. The car was credited to Billmeyer & Small and the drawing data said it was built with the later 1880 style trucks. My questions are, when was the car built, how many were there, and what were their numbers. Any information will be appreciated.
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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby GregMaxwell » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:12 pm

The E&P acquired 21 Billmeyer and Smalls box cars. The first two were reported to be on the road when the E&P started operating on the first 20 miles of completed track in July, 1874. All had arrived by 1878. On the E&P the box cars were numbered 1-41, all odd numbers. At least one was a ventilated box car.

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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby David Johnson » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:08 pm

Thanks Greg. The car in John Robinson's drawing looks very similar to the photos of E-N #203 in 1937 or 1938. In addition, the trucks under one of the stock cars and under the box look like Billmeyer & Small trucks, with the spring pack box under the truck bolster.
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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby GregMaxwell » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:43 am

Box car EN #203 is one of the original Billmeyer and Smalls box cars. In 1914, JE Sexton culled out a number of cars for his proposed Surprise Valley Railroad and renumbered them as such. Among this group were three box cars, SV 201, SV 202 and SV 203. After the Nevada Transportation Company was merged with the EN in 1921 these cars were returned to the EN (although they never left the property). After the merger, the cars kept their Surprise Valley numbers and in some cases their SV reporting marks.
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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby Randy Hees » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:29 pm

I suspect the car was acquired by Brad Milne when he purchased the Cortez Mining 0-4-0t (now sold, restored, and operating) and the Pinoche - Santa Barbara Tie shay... if so it was moved to Washington as a "flat" kit... and the remains might be available...

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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby GregMaxwell » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:29 am

There are two existing E&P box cars. One is across the street from the Eureka County court house in Eureka. It was converted to a bunk car at some point and was parked at Eureka for use by train crews laying over at the southern terminal. The car was left behind (less its trucks) when the line was taken up. It is now on display in a somewhat altered condition and sitting on D&RGW trucks.
Another car that was left at Palisade was taken to Las Vegas and then Boulder City. For many years it sat on the hillside above Boulder Dam. As far as I know it is now the property of the Nevada State RR Museum along with the E&P/EN passenger cars.

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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby Brian Norden » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:30 pm

The passenger cars went to the Nevada State RR Museum. The equipment that was up on the hill (the Shay, the E&P B&S box, the NC Carter box car, and the box-like car with the passenger-style needle beams) that had advertising for the casino went a couple of different ways.

The SPCRR group from Ardenwood arranged to obtain the Nevada Central, ex-Monterrey and Salinas Valley, box car in exchange for similar size modern T-111 fake that could carry the adverting.

The casino suffered a fire. And I think it was after that that the Porter and the Shay were sold. The other cars up on the hill went with the Shay and the story I heard was that the B&S car was reduced to pieces because the trailer on-hand could not carry the whole car body.

There was a series of posts about these cars on the narrow gauge discussion forum a few years ago. (Found it! from May, 2010: http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/read.php?1,158877,158877#msg-158877)
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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby GregMaxwell » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:11 am

Thanks Brian,

I was unaware of the E&P ventilated box car's fate; that's too bad. I made some cursory measurements and took a few snapshots of this equipment while on the way to the Grand Canyon in the 1960s. At least the car was well documented and Herman Darr did a nice drawing of the car. The car was still in use on the E&P after the turn of the century as it had body bolster shims.

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Re: Eureka & Palisade B&S cars

Postby GregMaxwell » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:05 am

John replied in an e-mail that the car at Eureka was measured for his drawing.

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